Dr. Joyce Park

Intro: (00:00:00) Hey guys, welcome to Asian Hustle Network Podcast, my name is Bryan and my name is Maggie. We interview Asian entrepreneurs around the world to amplify their voices and empower Asians to pursue their dreams and goals. We believe that each person has a message and a unique story from their entrepreneurial journey that they can share with all of us.

Bryan: (00:00:23) Welcome to another episode on the Asian Hustle Network Podcast today. We have Dr. Joyce Park, and Dr. Joyce Park, welcome to the show.

Dr. Joyce: (00:00:32) Thank you so much for having me. I’m super excited to be here.

Bryan: (00:00:36)  Of course, I’m also very excited to have you here. So, let’s hop into the first question. Tell us about yourself and what your upbringing was like.

Dr. Joyce: (00:00:42) So, I grew up in the bay area. I grew up in a Taiwanese household. My parents both immigrated from Taipei to the U S my dad came. I think in the eighties to Ohio, where he was a master’s student learning, graphics design, and computer engineering. And then my mom immigrated shortly thereafter to California.

They met in California and settled down and had a family. So, I grew up in the Bay area pretty much. My whole life went to high school, college, and med school in the bay. And. I will say the bay area is very diverse. So, I never really felt like I was an outsider. It was very, very diverse in all of my schoolings, all of my extracurricular activities.

So, it wasn’t real, until I moved to New York city for a dermatology residency, that I had my first experience with what living in a diverse community could look like.

Bryan: (00:01:41) Well, that sounds awesome. I live in the Bay for six years. I would agree that it’s diverse there you meet a lot of interesting characters, especially in tech.

It’s kind of curious, like, was there any academic pressures by your parents to like, perform well or become a doctor?

Dr. Joyce: (00:01:57) Yeah, of course. I think about this a lot because I am a mom now, my son is two and a half years old and I often think about what type of parent I want to be to him and help steer him or guide him in terms of his future career. I mean, he’s very young, but I still think about this. So, my dad, interestingly, his dream for me was always to become a piano teacher. I think growing up, he was one of eight children and he never had the opportunity in Taiwan to take piano lessons, but it was his dream.

They just didn’t have money for him to go and have those lessons and, or have a candle at home and so, when it came to me, I was going to live out his dream. I think oftentimes children live out their parents’ dreams. And so I started playing piano at a young age at the age of four.

And the piano was probably the biggest part of my life until I turned 18. I would practice two-plus hours a day. I competed in was a perfect large part of my life and honestly, I have a love, hate relationship with it because there was a lot of good that came from it, but also it was very, very stressful. And so, my dad’s dream for me was actually to become either a concert pianist or a piano teacher.

That was just his dream. And then my mom, she always had a dream of me becoming a doctor. And so, I think this stemmed from her growing up in Taiwan, and one of her best friends became a physician and she always felt like. Her best friend is so empowered and so smart and so brilliant. And she wanted that for me, for me to make my own money and for me to have control over my career and my finances.

And so that was something that she had dreamed of for me since I was a little bit. So then where does that leave me, right? So, I think I explored a lot of things growing up. My parents exposed me to pretty much every single extracurricular you can think of just like all great parents, do all great Asian tiger parents do I tried everything, gymnastics, soccer, ballerina, art classes, cooking classes, acting classes, writing classes, science, camp, nature camp. I did everything. And I think what stuck with me was my time volunteering in the hospital in high school and being able to be around patients and kind of see firsthand the effects that the medical team had on the patients and their families that left a really deep impact on me. And I think eventually that is what sparked my interest in medicine.

Bryan: (00:04:27) Oh, I love the way you did your storytelling right? It’s so insightful. And it gives me, or it gives the audience and myself a huge, huge picture of how your experience has shaped who you are today right. And I think that’s awesome to hear that your dad had other dreams for you besides like the medical path, like count tens, the doctors, the lawyers, whatever it is. Right, that’s awesome to hear because I don’t think that. I think that was an option for me at all.

Dr. Joyce: (00:04:51)  Oh really? What were your options before becoming a podcast host?

Bryan: (00:04:54) Becoming a business person was the last thing my parents wanted for me because they’re business people and they’re small business owners and they’re like, it sucks.

We work 24/7. Like, I don’t want you to do it. College-educated. They wanted to be to become a doctor, a lawyer, whatever it is, and then I left my engineering job. Then became broke for the first two years until I figured out how to make money, but yeah going back to your story, I liked that path, that the impression that your parents made for you.

Giving you so many options, and exposure exposes me to so many different things, right? I know you’re currently a doctor, but I do want to dive into like the piano side, right? Because I feel like the skills and discipline and outside thinking from music and arts can also influence the person you are today right, do you feel like that music side of you when you were growing up has influenced the person you are today, especially in the creative side?

Dr. Joyce: (00:05:45) I haven’t thought about my piano in a long time. And it’s very emotional for me because, as I mentioned, there were a lot of positives associated with it, but there were a lot of traumas with it too, but I think that.

It did impact and shape who I am today because I think about all the hours that I spent on that piano bench, just perfecting, like playing the same parts over and over again, you know, right-hand separately, left-hand separately, putting it together, making sure it was a hundred percent perfect memorizing it, being able to perform.

I think back to the times that I performed in front of hundreds of people; I had the opportunity in high school to perform as a soloist with an orchestra. And that was just such a beautiful experience. When I think back to it, I had to get over my stage fright. I had to get over any nervousness, any jitters, and just go out there and perform.

And I actually up until this moment, I forgot. That I was a performer until you reminded me of that because it has been a very long time since I’ve performed in that way. But I guess if you think about it from a different angle on social media, I kind of am performing every day in a different setting. I don’t see my audience in front of me physically, but they’re there.

So, I do think that all of that training, that dedication, that fine-tuning of my skills, did help me become the performer that I kind of am today.

Bryan: (00:07:14) I love your content on social media, by the way. It’s so cheerful. So happy, you know, it’s just, that her voice is very soothing as well. And like the way you make your information, very digestible.

It’s like, I love to elevate right? And that’s the reason why like opportunity came through each LT to be in the podcast. It’s like, oh, reach out to Dr. Joyce Park to see if she’s interested in being on the podcast. And luckily, you’re here. So, thank you so much.

Dr. Joyce: (00:07:35) No, thanks for the invite. Honestly, when I send content out there into the universe, I sometimes forget that people watch it because, you know, I’m just like cringy li dancing in my room.

And I don’t think that it’s going to reach someone and that the information and the healthcare information that I share are going to impact someone’s life. So, it always means a lot for me to hear that.

Bryan: (00:07:56) Of course, and I know like the medical path view has not been extremely easy right. And I did have the opportunity to read your blog and, you know, pretty excited that you’ve been keeping up with your blog since 2011, right? So about 12 years now. And there’s a, there’s a piece, uh, like an intro that you wrote that caught my attention. And you said in 2013, that you were unclear about where your medical path was feeling.

I do want to dive deep into that too because I feel like it’s not talked about enough, right? Especially people in the medical field, oftentimes people in the medical field that I know personally make it seem very easy to make it seem like it’s not a problem. I got this, whatever, but I see my, doctor friends today and I realized now that I’m older reflecting, but they went through a lot of traumas.

I guess one of my colleagues, one of my high school, best friends became a surgeon. And when he was going through residency, that was his first time seeing a lot of blood dead people, you know, it’s this, these people, people, and he always hit me up afterward, then hey, can we go get a drink? And it was like a Monday.

And I want to be able to talk about that as a podcast for you too. And what kind of experience that you went through and what kind of uncertainties that you face back when you were a medical student?

Dr. Joyce: (00:09:08) I think in medical school, I always felt like I somehow snuck in. You hear about this imposter syndrome and I think I had it and I think I still have it, to be honest with you.

I remember going to orientation week for a medical school at Stanford, which is where I went and looking around at all of the brilliant classmates that were standing around. I think it was like a barbecue that we were having. And I just felt like I somehow snuck in, like they made a mistake. I didn’t quite belong.

Someone was going to figure it out. That, hey, this girl steps snuck in, get her outta here. And I think that continued to follow me through and that blog post that you’re referencing, if it’s the one that I think of, it’s the one where I felt lost. Like, I didn’t know exactly which field I wanted to go into.

I didn’t know what field I could even get into. And I just wasn’t feeling very certain about my future as a physician. And it struck me at that time because like you, I always thought that if I just played by the rules, followed the steps, you know, you get into medical school, then you decide on your doc, the doctor you’re going to be, you get into residency, then you become an attending and then your whole life is set.

But over the past, you know, decade, decade and a half, I’ve just learned again and again, that nothing is set in stone. And so, in medical school, I had this moment where I was coming off of my gap year, where I did medical journalism for a year. That’s what got me started in social media. And it changed my life.

I was coming back from that year and after my whole medical school career, I was preparing to be an ophthalmologist, which is an eye surgeon. And then I finally did a rotation in ophthalmology. And I hated it. And I had to be super honest with myself. Brian, I had to say, should I just go ahead and apply?

Cause you know, I’m already ready for this application to open in three months and I’m not prepared to apply for anything else, but I had to be honest with myself because I knew I would have. My life. If I had to do a job that I didn’t truly enjoy every day. And so, at that moment, one of my mentors suggested that I just try a dermatology elective and I completely brushed him aside because dermatology is competitive to get into.

It’s one of the most competitive specialties. And I was so intimidated. I didn’t think that I could have a chance at getting it. But thanks to him. He probably doesn’t even know the impact he had on my life, keeps persisted. He said, just give it a try. Why not? And so, I went into it. Did the rotation, and fell in love with it.

And then I decided to switch to applying to dermatology pretty much. Yeah. Three months before applications opened. And it was a stressful year. I write about it in that blog post. It was, I felt depressed down on myself. I had very low self-confidence that year.

Bryan: (00:11:59) I appreciate you being so vulnerable with us today and this sharing that side of the story because it’s a lot to go through at the time, right?

Yeah. I think when you’re a medical student, you’re like trying to live up to expectations from not only your parents but your peers and how you view yourself. Because from their point of view, it’s like, you caught a quote-unquote half made it already, you get it to metal, top medical school at Stanford, you have everything working out for you.

And in a way, I do feel like it is lonely because there’s practically no one to talk to. After all, no one would understand right. And we’re at the verge of our careers and lives at that point where it’s, everyone’s focused on themselves. Like, what am I doing in my life? And you’re not the only one asking yourself that question, everyone in every single industry, asks himself those questions.

Like, what am I doing in my life? And I’m really. How are you able, to think back reflect, and capture those moments for us to talk about today, right? Because you don’t know who else is going through the same feeling right now. And to my surprise too, I was talking to another, medical influencer. She went to Harvard medical school and she almost said something very identical.

I snuck in; I don’t belong here. I thought that was surprising because to me, like, I think you guys are really smart and you guys had intelligent, very articulate right. And it’s crazy to hear that perspective from multiple Asian medical influences serious, that went to top tier medical schools.

right and to me, listen to you guys, talk to them. Like if you guys think you are, you guys stuck to what I think of myself.

Dr. Joyce: (00:13:30) I don’t know what it is, you know? Even when I got to the NYU derm, I felt so intimidated by my co-residents. Like, I felt like they were so smart. Like they just deserve to be there.

And I, I can’t explain it. It’s something that I’m constantly battling and something that I like to speak up about because I think a lot of other people will feel this way. I think I’m slowly, finally getting to this point in my life. Now I’m about to turn 35 in a couple of weeks. I’m finally getting to this point where I look back and I say, okay, I think I deserved it.

I think I earned it.

Bryan: (00:14:09) I want to say that too. I think you deserved it. You earned it. I’m a huge fan of you just being on the podcast day and social media as well. Let’s talk a little bit more about how you got yourself in social media and you know, you have pretty, pretty good traction, pretty successful far.

How’d you make time for everything? That’s I know that you’re a new mom as well, and you’re working in the medical field. You’re a social media influencer and you’re a mom, you know, mom has a full-time job already. How do you make time and organize your day for it?

Dr. Joyce: (00:14:36) I never feel like I have enough time for everything. I think it’s hard. I started my social media account. Back in medical school during that year off in journalism that I alluded to before, that was when I started my blog as part of a requirement for my fellowship year. And I started Instagram during my intern year when I was very depressed and felt like I had just went into the wrong field.

I’ll share one little tidbit about an intern year. So, intern year, you know, we all have various. Schedules about when you’re supposed to be doing inpatients. And when you’re supposed to be doing clinics, which is a slightly better schedule. Unfortunately, one of our interns quit three months in to go join a startup.

And so, because he left the rest of us were pulled to cover all of his hospital shifts for the entire year. And so just that one little action on his part affected all of us for the rest of the year. So, the intern year was hard. And Instagram was kind of my outlet. You know, I would post pictures of flowers and random things that made me happy and it wasn’t until I got into dermatology residency in New York that I started taking it more seriously.

And I started posting more about skin health and dermatology. And then during COVID during the pandemic. I was on maternity leave. That’s when TikTok exploded. And I started doing a couple of TikTok and that just took off. And so all along the way, I did social media because it was fun for me. It was an outlet; it was a hobby and I never expected it to be a lucrative field, I guess, but somehow it has become a source of income for me, which I’m very grateful for. And so, because of social media, I’ve been able to cut back on my clinical hours where now I’m at the point where I’m setting up my practice and I want to practice medicine on my terms where I can see patients on the way that I want to and spend time with them the way that I want to, without some hospital administrator telling me what I have to.

Bryan: (00:16:37) Well, I mean, that is amazing to hear, right? And that’s the power of social media. I think that most people should not underestimate social media. I think he went to talk finally came around and became more mainstream. A lot of people kind of ducked it as the kids out the teen’s app. Right. But I think this is extremely powerful, right?

To like to express myself to share knowledge, especially. And I think this is a good segment to talk about the segment. This segment is brought to you by us department of health and human services. And in this segment, we want to talk about the importance of getting vaccinated. Right? And we understand that there’s a lot of misinformation on social media.

There is a need for medical experts to really share the appropriate knowledge and the correct knowledge out there. I don’t want to talk to you about this too. And, and your opinions on why our community, especially the Asian communities should all get back to me too.

Dr. Joyce: (00:17:29) I mean, I think it is super, super important for everyone to be vaccinated against COVID-19. I mean, to me, honestly, it’s a no-brainer. Right. It will help dramatically reduce the risk of fatality, being hospitalized, or being very sick from COVID. And, you know, I’ll share something personal here. My uncle passed away from COVID in 2021 and he passed away a month before the vaccine came out. And it was incredibly hard for my family to accept because he was completely healthy.

He had; he was in his seventies. He never got sick. He exercised, he worked out. He ate well, he, my cousin was carrying his first grandson on the way. So, none of us expected that to happen. And the fact that he passed away because he couldn’t get vaccinated. Right. It wasn’t available to him. That’s why he’s gone.

It kills me that we have a vaccine now that can prevent other people from going down that same path as him. And that people are not taking it. I think we have to put aside the politics we have to put aside, you know, whatever it is that you think the other side is trying to do, trying to brainwash you, or, you know, I don’t even know what all of these, these conspiracy theories are about, but you have to put that aside and think about not only your health but the health of your community.

My son is two and a half, so he’s not old enough to be vaccinated. So, he is at constant risk every day that I can take him out. And to be fair, I barely take him out. He has not had a normal childhood because I don’t take him indoors anywhere in public. And I hate that it’s like that, but we just have to band together and get through this as a community and look out for each other. That’s all we can do.

Bryan: (00:19:22) I agree with that. And I’m so sorry to hear about your uncle, right. And yeah, I mean, for my situation too, I did have more friends that passed away from COVID unexpectedly and you know, it sucks. It sucks that, you know, there’s this virus out there, and to prevent it, I wouldn’t say it’s pretty preventable, but you know you’re still at risk.

You still get vaccinated, but it could be prevented. Right. And you don’t do it for yourself. You do for your loved ones around you because you don’t know what you’re exposed to. Right. And you don’t know if you’re putting your uncles and family and mom and dad at risk, especially when they’re at an older age.

So, I think that the best thing for us to do out there is just, you know, do your research, especially. Great understanding that sometimes the naysayers are much louder than the people speaking facts.

Dr. Joyce: (00:20:14) And also to choose carefully the people who are speaking facts, right? Like we’re not in a pre-social media era where you can’t get access to doctors.

We’re talking about science and talking about evidence-based information. There are a lot of doctors now out there who are putting out. The facts and explaining the studies and explaining the reasoning for getting vaccinated. So, I just implore everybody to, like you meant, as you mentioned, do your research, listen to the doctors, and make the right decision right? Think about people. Think about your community that goes beyond just yourself.

Bryan: (00:20:49) Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for that insight, Dr. Joyce Park. I appreciate that. And that’s quickly changed the subject quickly and talked about the type of video content that you put out on social media, right? What is your creative process like? Right, when you wake up, you’re like, I’m going to make a video today, and like, do you have a whiteboard process? Do you have an outline process? Like how has that process been?

Dr. Joyce: (00:21:11) Oh, my gosh, no one has ever asked me that before. You know what it is. I think typically as I go about my day, if an idea strikes me, I’ll just write it down in my notes.

And then I batch film because I’m so busy, you know, taking care of my son and setting up my practice that I don’t have time to just be like ready to film at any moment. So, what I usually do is either save a bunch of videos on talk that I want to react to or use the sounds. And then I also record ideas in my note app and then a couple of days a week.

Usually one day a week, if I’m lucky, I’ll sit down and put on my makeup and then just film for like three hours. So that’s the only way I can be efficient and get things done.

Bryan: (00:21:54) I love it. It’s crazy hearing everyone’s creative process right? And typically, the common theme is batch recording, and batch inspiration because you have to be very efficient with your time, right?

Because social media is you don’t be, you don’t have a process for it. It’s going to concede your life right. You think about it all the time. It’s like, oh, I’ve got to be cluttered every day. Well, you’re in a batch yet. Now I can manage my time better. And for your mental health’s sake as well.

Dr. Joyce: (00:22:20) I will say, I just launched my YouTube channel three weeks ago, which is super exciting. It’s like a new platform that I’m trying to grow into and that’s a whole other process to, you know, I’m so used to making short-form video content and long-form video content requires a lot more preparation and research. And so, I find that. That’s a whole different process where I have to sit down, do research, kind of like type out the main points that I want to hit, and then actually sit down and record.

And it, it’s fun learning all these different platforms and learning about different ways to create content it’s fun and also a little bit intimidating, but overall fun.

Bryan: (00:23:03) As long as it’s fun, right? Is the most important thing to keep you going every day, it’s like, is it fun? Is not fun. Is it to feel like work? How can I adjust, right? 

Dr. Joyce: (00:23:10)  Absolutely. And I mean, your podcasting skills are awesome. Like you’re making me want to listen to more podcasts.

Bryan: (00:23:19) And I appreciate that, right. My goal as a podcast host is to make every single one of my guests, very comfortable and ask questions that aren’t typically asked, but that’s like my that’s my goal in every single podcast.

And I think the next part where I’m personally curious about is you becoming a new mom, right. And how that changed you from life before becoming a mom and to becoming a mom. And what, how did your perspective of the world change and what do you want to, what kind of values, what kind of values do you want to instill in your kid?

Dr. Joyce: (00:23:48) I think after becoming a mom, my priorities shifted. And I think it’s inevitable that your priorities will shift, right? Because you just don’t have as much time as you used to. I think back to before I had a kid and I’m just like, what did I do every day with all those hours of free time? And eight hours of sleep a day, man, I must’ve been like functioning at my best.

Every single day I missed; I missed the sleep. I won’t lie. I missed the sleep, but because I have so much less free time now, I think I just really have to prioritize. What am I going to focus on today? So, as an example, before I became a mom, I was working full-time for a hospital in the bay area, five days at the clinic a week, but I always had this entrepreneurial dream that I wanted to have my startup.

And so, on top of my full-time job and social media, I was also trying to launch a startup and I worked on it for a year, the full year that I was. And in the end, it didn’t work out. I ended up dissolving the company right before I gave birth. And thank God I did because there was no way, no way I could have had a newborn while running a startup.

And then also, you know, thinking about going back to work, but it made after having my son, I kind of took a good, hard look at the things that made me happy in life. And I realized that. What makes me happy in life are spending time with family, and seeing patients the way I want to see them doing research and mentoring students, and content creation.

And so now I am trying to create the life that I want for the first three years after residency, I just went straight into hospital jobs where someone else dictated my schedule and told me. Everything I was going to do that day. And now I’m like, you know what? I’m going to take back ownership of my schedule because I want time to spend with my son while he’s little and always, and I deserve that.

And so that’s what my whole focus has become building a life that I want and making my career fit into the vision of that life that I want to strive for.

Bryan: (00:26:03) I love that statement, right? Building the life that you want. I’m going to say that again, building the life that you want. Right. That’s awesome to hear.

And I feel like more people need to hear that because oftentimes build our life or other people’s schedule our careers and we put the least amount of time into ourselves, especially, and our family, right. What you realize is that work is just, although it’s a really big part of life, but also a very small part of it right I think that mindset shift that a lot of us are getting into is that we can’t control the lifestyle that we want. It’s quite scary. It’s not easy and takes a lot of planning, but it is possible, right? Unless you figure out your core values of who you are as a person, what you want in life, what’s most important to you, and then your universe or shifting around it right and that’s the crazy part about being clear and knowing what you want in life and making the world and the universe work around it.

Dr. Joyce: (00:27:00) Absolutely. And I agree with you. It’s scary. And I still feel guilt some days that I’m not working that typical hospital job. Right. Because I think, well, I’m a dermatologist.

I should just be in a hospital, you know, seeing patients from eight to six and doing what everyone else does. But my husband helps me a lot with this. Why do I have to fit into that mold? If I can help people differently, it’s not worse, it’s just different. And I’m trying to, you know, wrap my mind around that.

Bryan: (00:27:36) Of course, even for myself, I am also very much in the same boat. I think that it’s funny that we’re having this conversation right now, because a couple of days ago I was talking to my fiancé, Maggie, and I was like, I want to build a lifestyle around giving storytelling and traveling. And we started readjusting, like the business format to make that possible. So, I’m in the same boat.

Dr. Joyce: (00:27:58) I love that I am going to, you know, five years from now, we’re going to reconnect again. And I want you to tell me how far you’ve come in reaching that goal.

Bryan: (00:28:08) Oh, of course. We’re going to stay friends forever. Julia. So don’t worry about that. So, this last part of the podcast, I want to talk about.

How, what kind of advice do you have for other medical experts wanting to become like social media stars? So most importantly, what kind of advice do you have? Do you have other experts that want to take our advice? We just said and shaped their lives around their core values and what they think is important?

Dr. Joyce: (00:28:32) I think one important thing is to get over it. The fear, get over the fear of the unknown, the fear of uncertainty. Like what’s going to happen if I don’t have this title, right. What’s going to happen. If I don’t, if I’m not the leader of this team at work well, reframe it and think about it.

Like what might happen if I had that extra time to do X, Y, and Z. And I think a lot of doctors and maybe healthcare professionals get caught up in not breaking the mold because especially as Asian-Americans, we’re taught to follow the path that is laid out for us, and in medicine, it’s very easy to follow that path because you have to write, you have to go through certain steps to even become a doctor.

But what I think people don’t realize is there’s so much that you can do with your degree and your expertise and your passions. And. If you want to, you don’t have to be confined to just the clinic and the hospital walls. So, I think getting over that mentality is a big step. And then secondly, for anyone interested in social media, I would say the first step is just to start creating content and it’s okay to look like a fool.

To try different things to make content and have it flop that’s okay. I find that some people they’ll ask me, oh, you know, I posted a few videos and I only got a couple of likes. I don’t know if I wanted to do it anymore. Well, I have posted so many videos that no one has liked and you just keep going.

You just push past that and sooner or later you’ll find your niche, you’ll find what makes you unique and what makes people want to follow you and watch your content. And then one other tip I have is to connect with other creators like you in your community. Again, I’ve had doctors reach out and say, I put out content, but nobody interacts with it.

So, then I ask, well, are you interacting with other people’s content because it’s a two-way street. You have to build those relationships and authentically build them to help create that kind of back and forth. 

Bryan: (00:30:41) Those are really good tips right. And I love them a lot, especially with interacting with other people.

I think the underrated part of social media that’s honestly the best. Right. It’s when you’re meeting other creators that you feel like. Or you feel like, oh, wow. Like I never thought of it that way, or you never thought of it this way. The idea is changed itself is phenomenal right?

Dr. Joyce: (00:31:02) Absolutely. I’ve made so many friends on social media. And I recently moved actually to Seattle in December. And I don’t have many friends in Seattle, but I was able to link up with three or four other female physicians through social media and it’s been great. They’re wonderful.

Bryan: (00:31:21) I love it. Well, you guys are in Seattle this year, give a Dr. Joyce port park of pain going to follow social media. So, Joyce, how can our listeners find out more about you and reach out to you?

Dr. Joyce: (00:31:36)  Teah. So, I am on all the different platforms. So, my handle is TeawithMD my brother came up with that 10 years ago on TikTok on Instagram and Pinterest. And then I just launched my YouTube channel and the same handle their TeawithMD. So, oh, and my blog Teawithmd.com.

Bryan: (00:31:59) Awesome. We’ll include, all of that in the show notes, but Joyce, thank you so much. Be the podcast today.

Dr. Joyce: (00:32:06) Thank you so much. This was an awesome conversation. I feel very honored to be here.