February 3, 2021

Welcome to Episode 38 of the Asian Hustle Network Podcast! We are very excited to have Sandy Lin on this week's episode.

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Sandy Lin is a 22 year‑old‑second time founder, content creator, and investor. Sandy started her first business at 19 with her love for dogs, a passion for hard work, and a dream to live life on her own terms. Ever since she has been determined to help other young people do the same. Currently, she is the founder of Small Business Tips, a community for young entrepreneurs to learn about everything business. Learn from industry leaders, connect with fellow entrepreneurs, and meet business mentors.

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Intro: (00:00:00) Hey guys, welcome to Asian Hustle Network Podcast, My name is Bryan. 

And my name is Maggie 

And we interview Asian entrepreneurs around the world to amplify their voices and empower Asians to pursue their dreams and goals.

We believe that each person has a message and a unique story from their entrepreneurial journey that they can share with all of us.

Maggie: (00:00:23) Hi everyone. And welcome to the Asian hustle network podcasts. We have a very special guest with us today. Her name is Sandy Lynn, and she is a 22 year old second time founder content, creator, and investor. Sandy started her first business at 19 with her love for dogs, a passion for hard work and a dream to live life on her own terms. Ever since she has determined. To help other young people to do the same. Currently she is the founder of small business tips, a community for young entrepreneurs to learn about everything. Business, learn from industry leaders, connect with fellow entrepreneurs and meet business mentors. Sandy, welcome to the show.


Sandy: (00:01:06)  Thank you so much for having me. I'm very honored. I've been a big fan and just been amazing to have you guys.

Bryan: (00:01:14) Yeah. I mean, we're super excited to have you here, so let's dive right into it. So, Sandy, what was your upbringing life, but how'd you come to sell entrepreneurial at such a young age?

Sandy: (00:01:23) Yeah. So I think it dated back when I was a kid. Um, so growing up in Taiwan, my parents was very extremely poor starting out. So I didn't come from a, like a wealthy, you know, third generation or things like that. So growing up, my parents are very poor and I see that growing up as well. So my dad wanted to provide me and my sister a way better life than what he has. So seeing that he never worked a day, actually, I've never seen a day without working for him and just weekends and weekdays and seeing that he built something from ground up and with my parents, I just feel like there's nothing else I can do in the world. Other than entrepreneurship. Um, and to seeing that the possibility of someone without education, without a high school diploma, can't build a business, a small business, and it just gives me the expirations and that kind of just motivation to just start something yeah. On my own as well.


Bryan: (00:02:23) Well, that's amazing. What kind of values would you say that your parents instilled in you to give you the confidence to go out and being business?


Sandy: (00:02:29) They gave me the confidence of myself creativities. Um, I think that starting a business is very hard and everyone knows that, Hey, like starting out, you're lonely, you're hard. And I think what they gave me, just the feeling of I can accomplish. Literally anything that I want to do. And I think that's a really important quality within a founder because it's so hard to start a business. You have to really believe in yourself and the path that you're creating for other as well.And I think that's what they gave me the most valuable thing that they gave me.


Bryan: (00:03:01) Wow. That's amazing. 


Maggie: (00:03:03) That's really amazing. And you said you were born in Taiwan and now in your, in the U S and what was that transition like? You know, did that make you have any reflections on like your Asian identity at all? And you know, what struggles did you go through? Um, immigrating here, any.


Sandy: (00:03:19) Yeah. So when I was in Taiwan, I was so like westernized. I wanted to come to the us so bad. I was like, Oh my God. I would look at all the Hollywood movie and just, you know, this time there, the show is pretty little things. And a bunfight America show when I was a kid, I was like, wow, that's how American people are. Like, that's so amazing. So always have the expiration of coming here and like doing things on my own. And I didn't really fully. Embody the Asian identity of myself, because I wanted to beat Western I so badly. And when I came to America freshman year, I felt very lost because I wasn't Asian enough. I wasn't Americanized enough. So I was in this limbo stage of. Just being like, who am I? You know, so I had to really convince myself, Hey, not convince myself. I had to really grow and pivot myself and say, who am I? And my someone who wants to just fit in or do I want to carve out a path of my own? And I, that at that time, I really start, stop and think about. Hey, what do I want to people know me, us and what do I want to bring my Asian culture out of? And that's when I really embody how my family integrated and as Asian collectivism, it's very big in my culture and, you know, um, so I really want to make sure everything that I carve out in the business. It's also very collective and a very community life.



Bryan: (00:04:49) Wow. That's amazing. And it's really inspirational to hear too, because. You know, you leave wanting to build your own identity, building your own foundation. It's really relatable to a lot of us in the Asian Huston network community. You know, like a lot of us out there want the want to just be a piece of the puzzle.We want to create that puzzle to push our vision out. So really admire that about you. So let's hop into it. I mean, so out of college you did an internship and then you started your first company. What was that like? I mean, they were like, Whoa, what did the people around you say when you're like, Hey, I'm going to start a business without having much life experience ahead of you. Like, what is that? 


Maggie: (00:05:32) And at the age of 19 too, that's incredible and super impressive, really impressed by you. Right, exactly.


Sandy: (00:05:40) Um, I actually started out business. Yeah. With one internship that I did with my parents in like in the company. And I started out with social media and then I touch upon like the world of social media and Instagram was a big one at the time and Facebook and then kind of sparked my interest within the digital world itself. And then I 19, where my friends and just people around me are just start still partying in that phase of just, you know, going out. And I respect that everyone has their own like. Path, but I just hone in on myself and I'm like, do I really want to fall down that path of just traditional college kids? Or do I want to make sure that I've used the young, like this crazy cherishable time of my life within the twenties and nineteens, um, to Carvel something great for myself. And I kind of look inward and say, okay, so what do I love? And I, what could I. Build something out. If I feel very passionate about every single day and that ended up being docs in that doc industry, I've found myself. Scrolling through Facebook every single day. Just like looking at doc pictures, puppy is insane at the time and I'll be posting. We can go back to my Facebook. Everything is about doc. I just, so at that time, okay. So I love dots so much. What can I do? And what can I combine in a with? So then I started saying, okay, I love fashion as well. Let me just combine the too. So like I'm a fashioned and Pat together and keep, create a roof.


Maggie: (00:07:14) Yeah, very impressive. And you know, we did a little bit of research on you and we know that you're at Northeastern university and you're graduating this December. Congratulations. I know. So I love to know like, how was it like juggling between being an entrepreneur and, you know, doing school? Full time. And so what were like the challenges and things that you learned from that experience challenges? Actually, what are the challenges.


Sandy: (00:07:43) It's been a wild ride. So when school, as, as bad as the South school was my, as my second priority, I know that I need to finish it. Um, but it's a very hard balancing act.Because you have these, this amazing business that you built and people around in that business that are relying on you, but then you also have your school, which is important as well, education. So you really have to make sure you prioritize things and balance things and block out your day to a tee scheduling. I use Google calendar, religious. Bleed to make sure that, Hey, I balance everything out and I still complete school as well. I can say that I'm the best students, to be honest, I would say that I'm a decent amount of decent students. Um, but I, I do prioritize more of my business instead of my, um, college experience.

Yeah. So I do have a sacrifice, some college experience, joining clubs, you know, sororities or partying as a fight that, um, and take that time and. Carve that out for the business instead,


Maggie:  (00:08:51) that's really inspirational. I think a lot of kids around the, you know, the age of 19, when you first started out rude that they are more inclined to not go to parties because they see their friends doing it at the same time. But I love how you're able to like really tunnel vision yourself and know what you want to focus on and really like, you know, focus on that and be committed to it.


Sandy: (00:09:14) Yeah, don't get me wrong. I lost a lot of friends at that time. You basically swimming upward, right? It's like the flow you're swimming against the flow and it's a norm. So you have to really know what you want and see the vision so strongly. So you're not like getting, like what other people are saying about you and thinking about you and your self identity have to be so strong that other people's opinion doesn't really. Affect you that much and just surrounding yourself with the right people really helps. I starting out in college in freshman year. Like I was surrounded with a great group of people, but the priority isn't aligned with what I am. So I had to pull myself out there and make sure that, Hey, I need to surround people who I align with, you know, Oh, I lost a lot of friends back then, but it's for the best.



Maggie: (00:10:04) Yeah. Yeah. You're definitely staying true to yourself and you know how to stay grounded.


Bryan: (00:10:09) Yeah. Yeah. You are the sum of five people here on West to choose wisely and, you know, losing your friends, it's going to be a normal thing. As you get older and older, you know, you're going to find people who believe in the same things that you do and that same value you started. Like-minded and together you push each other into the next level. That's awesome. So how do you stay some motivated every day? You know, we heard you stick to your Google calendar religiously. Like not would burn out anyone in th in that type of schedule. So how do you keep yourself motivated?



Sandy: (00:10:40) Um, intrinsic motivation is very important. Um, and my intrinsic motivation comes from just by helping other people. I know that sounds cliche and kind of like. Weird. Um, but just my getting like message on DMS or just a little bit like on a zoom call, I will hop on random zoom call with like people that I know from social media. And just by talking to them, just give me that motivation and remind myself, why am I doing all? This is to help other people achieve their own dreams as well. And you. Every single day when I wake up, I need to remind myself, because you look at your schedule today. I look at my schedule, everything was packed and I'm like, Oh my God, how can I, how can I go through the day? So I have a schedule in the morning. I can just wake up. I don't check my phone right away. I will literally just. Remind myself, tell him, I said, why am I doing this? And who am I? And what am I good at? Um, and just continually motivate myself and having a great team, also help with that. My team at SBT is my rock. I don't know how to thank them enough. And if I'm not doing this for myself, I have to do it for them as well, because they believe in me so much that I'm like, I don't know, even I believe in myself that much. Um, so that's kind of how I stay motivated just by surrounding yourself with the right people. And just to make sure that you always remind the core of why you're doing it.


Bryan: (00:12:04) Yeah. I also want to give you a lot of credit too, because it's a lot easier said than done, like believe in yourself because we're all humans at the end of the day, you know, we all go, dude. Going through different emotions. Some days you wake up full of doll. And the crazy thing is regardless of where you are in life, no matter how successful you become, you're always going to feel that sense of doubt. You know, you're always going to be aside. It's a normal process of human development, human nature.



Maggie: (00:12:29) Yeah, I agree. And I love that you shared your routine because I feel like a lot of people get so stressed out about like the schedule that they have throughout the day and they check their phone in the morning.They're like, Oh my gosh, I have so many messages, so many emails, but you know, you really found a routine that works for you waking up early, it's setting a routine for yourself, reminding yourself, you know, what you're grateful for, where you are. And then, then you can go into your work, like more focused and more alert. Um, and, you know, speaking of SVT, that's how like Brian and I found out about you. Um, and we'll talk about, you know, your career in tech talk later on, but we'd love to know, like, what was the inspiration behind SPT and for our listeners as VT is small businesses. And Sandy is the founder of small business tips, which is a community centered, collective empowering the next generation of entrepreneurs. So what was the inspiration behind that?


Sandy: (00:13:20) So, well then Spurgeon came from the tick-tock medial actually. So I was very afraid to put myself out there at first. Um, just because English is my second language. I didn't know how people are going to perceive my accent or the way I talk might not come across.

Right. Or anything like that, or just because I'm too young to even provide any value to anyone. So that always stopped me for putting myself out there or just creating a community of helping other people. So one day in corn cane, I was like, okay, let me just try this, uh, this out. So I want to, like, I know how hard it is to start out as an entrepreneur and nine 19. I was so lonely because no one around me knows exactly what I'm doing or anything at all. So I have Google. What do you do? Crap. Everything I can to learn about business. So I just want to create a community out there that can support each other when you're creating a business and be done, you know, the light in the tunnel and just plan bumping each other up and say, Hey, come on. Let's go together because at the top is lonely, but it's way better when you have people with you, you know? Um, so that's kind of why, and the inspiration behind SPT as well.



Bryan: (00:14:35) Yeah. So we really resonate with your story because having that hub of like-minded entrepreneurs is also the reason why we started Asian Huston network.

And we also started using hostel network from a very, I would guess selfish, selfish point of view because we felt lonely. You know, that the entrepreneurial path is such a hard path. And before starting Asian hustle network, we had other business ventures where we felt like we couldn't talk to any of our peers now, even our closest friends, because.

LSU is like, it's a little awkward because they are in different stages of the lies for you. Most of your friends are in college for us. Most of our friends are married with kids. And when talking to them about that, you feel a little bit anxiety in some ways, because they're looking at you being like, right, you can stop talking to me about your life now because I can't relate to you, but these are the types of friends or you don't want to lose because you grew up with them.

You've been so close to you. It's just a separate category of friends. No, it's also the reason why we started Asian Huston network. Cause we were wondering like, is there anyone else out there that fuses way? And to our surprise, like a lot of people feel this way, how they couldn't share their story with their peers or a family.

And when they post their story, when Asian hustle network people who knew them a comment on their story and be like, I didn't know this part about you at all. And it's, it's super crazy because I think that's a part like drift to your community more. Cause we thought such as synergy between us.




Sandy: (00:16:05) Yep. And to your eye, whatever you said, the whole thing, I relate to it a hundred percent. Um, you'll have different bucket of friends and, you know, you don't want to be come across as, too, like braggy or just saying about like your business, but we're not bragging. We're just, we just want to say about, you know, our path and where we're talking, where we were doing basically, but not everyone can relate to that. And I learned to shut up. I learned to do that and just, you know, talk about different topic with different people. And then I have my business people that can just hop on the zoom call and just talk away about business. And all we talk about is business. And that's why I think like community like Asian hustle network and small businesses tips are so important for entrepreneurship and entrepreneur in general. So they don't feel lonely. Um, And it's so much funner when you're doing with someone, you know?


Bryan: (00:17:02) Yeah, absolutely agree with that. And I kind of want to transition this over to your successes too. Like we've seen recently that you're on Ted talk by what was that experience like and how that happened?


Sandy: (00:17:13) Yeah, so I, I was so nervous. I'm not the best speaker I'm speaking, I've done speaking before, but it's not my favorite things to ever do. And we had to. Basically prepare three months ahead about, uh, for my speech with TedTalk. And they have like the schedule that you have to follow through. I'm like, Oh my God, I'm not good at writing. I'm not good at speaking, how am I going to do this? He would have hired someone to look through all my speeches and make sure there's no grammar error. And I practiced like so many times I still stuttered. So splutter and my tech talk, but. It was amazing. Um, so, uh, the opportunity to occur based on someone I know from high school and they reached out to me and there's, they saw my struggle with, um, what I've been through with my personal life with my parents. So my mom has cancer last year. So would that go through, that's also a part of reason why I did decide to shut down roof. Um, and then I pivoted into small business TEDS and got transitioned into tech talk. Um, The topic of Ted talk is turbulence. So they saw the struggle and they know me for very well. So they asked me to speak at Ted talk, um, and which is insane because it's also virtual. Um, so it's a very cool experience and I, I wouldn't. Yeah, I would definitely do it again if they will have me.



Bryan: (00:18:40) Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry to hear about your mom. Hopefully she doesn't, you know,


Sandy: (00:18:44) she is a force. Um, she is amazing. Uh, I took a gap semester off last year, uh, when, yeah, last year around this time and just go back to Taiwan and just spend the time with her and she's. Amazing right now. So you just climbing a mountain, she's doing everything that she love. Um, I think everything happens for a reason for our family and for her, and it's turned off when even better.


Maggie:  (00:19:11) Wow. That's really amazing to hear. I'm so glad to hear. Yeah, well, yeah, let's um, Talk about your tech talk and, you know, we know that you have organically grown your platform to over 300,000 followers, um, more, yeah, yeah. Over three inches. Six months. And that is so incredible. And, you know, you've partnered with so many different brands and talk about your experience, just building your tech talk and, you know, the, the relationships that you built from it, you know, the things that you learned from it, anything that you, you have, you know, really learn from that experience.



Sandy: (00:19:55) Yeah. So take time has been a game changer in them and life for me. Um, and it's crazy how social media could work. So I started out tech talk just by sharing my tips and tricks about business and my journey. I didn't think much of it. I was like tectonics, probably just a four kid platform, but I just need somewhere to release my creativities. And that's not going to be Instagram because all my friends and family are out there. So I turned to Tiktaalik and I just started posting my post posted one or two tech talks in the first day and the second or second one we took off and it was like, Oh, wow. Okay. So people on Tik TOK who want to learn about business, let me just keep on posting. So I post every single day, two to three times every day and the community just keeps growing and I was like, Oh my God, you found land of opportunity. There's so many amazing aspiring entrepreneurs on tech talk who wants to start their business. One, they don't know how to second they're afraid of failures, where they just don't know it's possible if they are no, there's no experience involved. So it gave me the idea that's where SPT came from, which my handle on tech dogs also small business tips. Um, so if that's where it came from to evolve into a community, it gave me the opportunity of connecting with so many different, amazing. Creators brands, just people in general, my whole team on small business have found a through tick tock. Um, so I'm there all my second whole business for tech talk from basically. Um, yeah, I think tick-tock Valley offend to city. Storytelling and just being super genuine. If you are genuine people know that they know of your, a fake person. If you are genuine, the, we know what you're doing to talk, reward that. And people reward that as well.



Bryan: (00:21:54) Wow. That is amazing, you know? And also it helps that you can dance really well.


Sandy: (00:22:02) I did start dancing until a while in. I started doing like pointy things, like pointy things. Cause I was so bored. I was like, I'm just going to do that. And then you'd get a little boring. So. Adding some spice where myself, I added a dead thing and then start acting on Tik TOK and like transition thing. But yeah, it's fine.



Bryan: (00:22:26) That's amazing. Yeah. We've been following you for a while or he's like, dude, she's grown so much. I following you when you have like 31.


Maggie:  (00:22:35) Yeah. I mean, I would see on my, for you page, like all the time, and then, you know, I found out that, you know, because your handle a small business that's underscore, right. I started putting in that hashtag like looking it up and like the most hast hashtags for that with small businesses underscores like, wait that's Sandy's username. And I was like, wow, you really created like a whole community from your business or Tik TOK. And I think that's so amazing.


Bryan: (00:22:59) Really awesome. We do want to talk a little bit more about mental health, because obviously, you know, you're on social media a lot, and we know that a lot of social media or a lot of anything is not too good for your mental health. So how do you manage all the, in all the messages that come your way, all the emails people want to talk to you, if you want a piece of your time, like, how does that strain you mentally in a normal basis and how do you deal with something like that?


Sandy: (00:23:26) Completely transparent. I'm still dealing with that. Um, it's so new to me. Like I, wasn't a business owner. I am a business owner, so I'm always on the back end of social media. So no one knows my face. So this whole like creators. Times and with social medias and entrepreneur thing is so new to me. And I was so overwhelmed in the first place. I was like, there's so many people relying on me. And so many messages come in. I don't know how to deal with it. So talking to other creator really helped me. And one thing that's amazing about Tech-Talk people are so open to just connect with you. Um, so I reached out to a bunch of creators in the same realm as I am, and just talk to them. And just, it's nice to have someone knowing what you're going through and just talk it out. So that definitely helped. And also having my, my team helping me manage my DMS also help as well. It's definitely hard and I feel bad for them, but, um, it definitely helped, but just taking breaks, it's okay to take breaks. I think when I started out, um, in the first two, three months, I, I was so in it, I crank out like three pieces of content per day and it's insane now I think about it. And I got burned out. I got complete burned out, um, in September. I was like, well, I can't do this anymore. Like, I can be on tech talk all day on Tik TOK assign not only creating, but you have to consume so much of content in order to keep up with the trend and you consume and that you, you create and then just constant cycle.

So I gave myself like, you know, a break of, I gave myself a break, one piece of content per day. That's what I gave myself. And now slowly do like three to four continents piece per week. So it just. You need to know where is your energy level is and your mental level, and constantly adjust that with social media, because social media is so fast paced and you get caught up with the numbers so easily.

You just really need readjust your, um, Expectations and know why you're doing the whole thing is not because of the metrics and not because of numbers it's because then you love it so much. And just remind yourself of the passions and spark it again when you were drowned or something like that.


Maggie:  (00:25:44) I totally agree. Yeah. When you talked about, you know, you have to create and you also have to make time to connect. That is so relatable because like Brian and I are always on tech talk, like trying to see what the latest trend is and like what the latest music is.


Bryan: (00:25:59) Booker was always exploding, like Hawk with notifications,


Sandy: (00:26:04) you know, know how you guys in Facebook group, I have one Facebook group and I can't, I can't, these will group as hard. Like you guys. That's such a good job. Like every time I go on your Facebook group, I'm like constantly of how many value and stories provided on there. And that's really, it just, it feels like community there, you know?


Maggie: (00:26:25)  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And how do you, you know, find inspiration for your tech talk content? Like, do you ever have any instances where you're just reading into a block? Like you don't know what to, well, yeah. What to produce or what you create and you know, how do you find that inspiration?


Sandy: (00:26:41) Yeah, I have so much lately, especially, um, especially with running a business and having to do like content creation as well. You're like, wow. These time that I'm content creating, I can be running a business right now. I can be doing my Texas or something like that. Um, but it helps when I am. Talking to new people when I'm talking to new people on Tik TOK, or just looking at account that are not in my niche also helped me, um, generate more fluid because when you're always constantly in your own niche, you're like, Oh, it's always, Oh, this person is. Has such a good content. Maybe I should like do something like that, but I don't like to copy someone else content. So I need to like look at somewhere else, completely different niche and see how other niche I can integrate that into my own niche. Um, so I have a notion page. I'm crazy. So I'm note John Page of bucket of content that I I can create. And then there's actually a really great, um, take talk tool called talk board talk board shows you like top trend, um, uh, music coming up on tech talks. So I'll go on there and scout on music. And then every single week I'll put like Elizabeth 10 on my notion board and just use those music. We're out to save a bunch of them when not consuming contents.


Maggie: (00:28:00) Well, that's a really good, that's a really interesting, the first time I heard of that. Yes. Be herself. That's amazing. And so, you know, you have been just on this wild journey since such a young age, you know, creating your own company and, you know, being on Ted talk and, you know, being. Such a great, you know, idle on Tik TOK and role model. Yeah. What were the challenges and like, did you, did you ever have any challenges? Um, just related to being like a member of a minority group and being a woman as well?   


Sandy: (00:28:39) Yes. Um, I'll say my top challenges. First one is overcoming yourself. Um, and then just, I'm only coming the thought of like, you can do it and you're and posturing someone else that you're not. Um, and then secondly, being a woman of color that also. Definitely pose challenges. And it hurts me to be honest. It never hurts me when you crush on my expertise, but it hurts me when you were a target tour, you know, who I am as a person and without knowing my story or background. Um, and I didn't use to deal with that. Well, okay. Comments and, um, you know, Or DMS about that about, Oh, you don't know what you're talking about. You're a woman or go back to your own country or something like that. You know, it's common like that. And used to get to me so badly, like I would. Bash them B I w I will bash them in my head. And then I would try to make sure that, like, I never see them again. I'll just like block them or delete their comments or anything like that until up until I would say, like, after my kind of break in September, September, October, I completely like just, yeah.

Uh, I was like, okay, everyone has different opinions and I can not be the one who, you know, just change their opinion and their opinions, their opinion. I'm just going to continue to be who I am and what I do. Um, and I just ignore that once I overcome that. Knowledge of, I can change their perspective and just hone in on my own perspective, then that's all I eat matters and I will come back.

If you don't like it, you can unfollow me. I will even do you, the, do you have the privilege of helping you on the phone? You know? Um, but yeah, so. There is definitely challenges, but you just really need to make sure you know who you are.


Bryan: (00:30:36) Yeah. That statement alone is really powerful. I just know who you are, knowing what you bring to the table, that you can let these little comments it gets. They just ruined your mental health. They ruined your day. And I saw a poll before. It's like, you have like, like X, not X amount of seconds today are going like one second. Ruin your day. You know? Oh yeah. Yeah. So I, I liked that perspective a lot. And because when you bring it up, there's a lot of people do take these common seriously and it does hurt their feelings. We seen creators out there that take it like really personally to start crying and start self creating. It's not being creative and it's, it's so strong that we keep on reiterating this point. Like, don't let these comments get to you. Continue being who you are. And your situation continue to be awesome, Sandy.

Like we love your content. We love everything about you. Like you love the way you can dance, sing what and business, uh, keep doing you.


Sandy: (00:31:32) Yeah, it's really like, you need to know what your value is and there's not always going to be people that's, you know, want to bring you down basically by putting yourself in social media or anything. You're putting a target in behind your back. Um, allowing people to do that because it's open space, you know, is public. So if you're not ready for it and make sure you are fully ready. And know who you are and your value to continue to create. Um, if you get to a point where like you're feeling de-motivated by these comments, maybe it's time to take a break and get to know who you are first, then continue to do what you are and producing because when you are not loving your own contents, people know it's insane because there's a peer of Ty time. Like in August, September, I was very down and I don't feel like I want to quit that much. And my view when dropdown people know that synergy and energy that you're putting out. So you want to make sure that you're taking care of yourself and you like, just what are you putting out as well?


Bryan: (00:32:37) Yeah, that's a great town. So, Sandy, what are your goals in the next five years? Want to hear more about what you want to do.


Sandy: (00:32:43) Yeah. So, um, goals is interesting. So I've got asked this questions, um, a lot, and my answer is always life changed so much. Um, things evolve, things happens, and I never know Corinna would have no one knows or, you know, things happen so you can set goals all you want, but if they never. Match up with realities and with goals, if you don't get to that goal, you get sad and you view exceeded you kind of just like, yeah. You know, I kind of just take it by day by day. I'm going to do my best every single day. And whatever I achieve in five-year will be the best that I achieved. And that will be my goal. My goal is to just be happy every single day and continue to create value for other people. I guess that's my forever goal, just to continue to create value for other people as well.


Maggie: (00:33:39) Yeah, I love it. I love that mindset where, you know, you're more value-based rather than goal-based, you know, because if you're just chasing after a goal, you're never going to be satisfied because you're going to have a bigger goal. It's all about the process. Yeah, exactly.


Sandy: (00:33:53) And my dad has actually changed out of my, in my, my, uh, before I was like hitting goals every single day. I'll set daily task. I mean, I still do, but like, I, I don't be myself down, but I don't achieve it. Um, but then I kind of switched on my side and so much happier. Now I'm so much happier. I'm just like, yeah, I did well today. Amazing.


Maggie: (00:34:17) That's amazing. I think it's really amazing how you also built your small business tips team, just all from TechTalk. And I'm very curious to know, like, what do you typically look for when you're looking for a team member to come on board?


Sandy: (00:34:29) Yeah. So I literally posts a tick-tock and I was like, Hey, I'm looking for insurance and just team members. And 300 people applied. I was like, Oh my God, this is insane. I have to weed through 300 job applications. I looked well. Um, but in terms of values and just people that I look forward is. They are, I don't really care about you have necessary too much experience.

All I care about is you are here to learn and you're open to anything and creativity. Yes. Well, um, critical thinking so important just to not limit yourself. I always tell my team there's nothing that's wrong. In anything like in a Starbucks startup world, this is where you can make any mistake and it's okay.

No, one's going to remember. It's fine. Um, so think big, think crazy and be creative and make mistakes. That's all we're going to have learned.


Bryan: (00:35:25) Yeah, that's our philosophy too big. We have like a lot of motivational stickers around our house. That's awesome. Think big, be like dishes do this, do that. And I feel like there's a lot of good synergy between Australia.


Maggie: (00:35:40) Exactly. And Sandy, you know, I'm sure you have hundreds and hundreds of small business tips, but what is one advice that you can give to an aspiring entrepreneur?


Sandy: (00:35:49) My advice would be if you have a dream to started chasing, go after it, do not wait the moment you wait, you're just pushing it and giving yourself.

An extra day of excuse. So that's my first advice. That's my kind of only advice cause anything else, if you have the right mindset, you can chase after it and you can learn anything, but it all started with mindset and just getting started.


Bryan: (00:36:19) That's a really good action oriented.


Maggie: (00:36:21) Yeah, guys, thank you so much for that. Well, it was amazing hearing your stories, Sandy. It was incredible. Just learning about you and your journey. How can our listeners learn more about you online?


Sandy: (00:36:31) Absolutely. So you can follow me on Instagram. I'm on our business, small business tips under underscore. That's also on ticked off Instagram and my personal is spice. Andy Lynn.


Bryan: (00:36:41) Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much for being a show today. I need to learn so much from you. We're really inspired by you and yeah, we hope to collaborate again in the future.


Sandy: (00:36:51) Thank you. Likewise, let me know how I, Alice. I can help.


Bryan: (00:36:54) Thank you, Sandy, Sandy.



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